wow, those apisto reds, just did a quick google search, amazing, and I am assuming super rare at the price of a pair of quality breeding discus...hmmm, discus, one day...one day. Would also love some otto's, I think it is a fair price (better than most places seem to advertise), and they are unusually difficult to get hold of, almost wish I was going through this weekend instead of last, but if anyone from our area is passing buy please let us know.